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Keep it in the ring
added Thu November 30 2006 at 10:17 PM
21 comments
I do, on occasion, enjoy taking part in rational political debate. I must admit that I sometimes will make posts that I know will be somewhat controversial because it sparks conversation. I'm even (every once in a while) willing to admit that I'm wrong when in a debate. However, if I am engaged in a debate on my site, please don't track me down using google talk, MSN, the telephone, whatever. A little bit of discussion on the side is fine, but if you seriously disagree with any major points I make in a post, keep the discussion online where the world can see:

michaelmcquay
don't you think it's a stretch to compare the American's occupying German to the American's occupying Iraq as you did in your most recent posting?

Jo-Pete
why shouldn't I?
michaelmcquay
why shouldn't you what?

Jo-Pete
compare the two?
michaelmcquay
make that comparison?
oh...I just feel like it's like comparing apples and oranges...
that's all...

Jo-Pete
you're right... in one we routed tore apart the infrastructure, routed the enemy, and toppled the government... the other was fought for oil.
michaelmcquay
the demographics were totally different, the economy was different, the sentiment was different....
well....
fought for oil, huh?

Jo-Pete
demographics?
michaelmcquay
wow...

Jo-Pete
what does demographics have to do with it?
(ok, the fought for oil was a stretch... but you get the point)
michaelmcquay
demographics: relating to the dynamic balance of a population especially with regard to density and capacity for expansion or decline

Jo-Pete
I don't really see them as being that different. Obviously different circumstances, but that's the closest (besides Japan, of course) that we've really come to occupying an enemy nation.
michaelmcquay
well...everything aside--and to avoid wasting too much time--I just think that comparing the invasions with each other is like comparing Hitler with Bush...
it's just kindof funny...

Jo-Pete
what?!?
michaelmcquay
that's all...
sure...

Jo-Pete
if anything, it's comparing Bush with FDR!
michaelmcquay
just comparing apples with oranges....
well..that as well!

Jo-Pete
it's an american occupation
michaelmcquay
yes...under totally different circumstances, reasons, results, purposes, etc...

Jo-Pete
I can't off the top of my head think of many other times that we've occupied a foreign nation.
michaelmcquay
not at all the some thing...

Jo-Pete
foreign occupation after a war?
it's totally the same thing.
if you have issue with it, write it up and make a reply.
michaelmcquay
well...if you look at it from a very narrow perspective like that....
foreign occupation after a war
so it's like napoleon and Austria (the kingdom at the time)...?
NOT AT ALL

Jo-Pete
ummm... AMERICAN
you're trying to compare Bush with Napoleon now?
michaelmcquay
well...how about FOREIGN POWER OCCUPYING A NATION
you need to consider the reasons...

Jo-Pete
dude... we as a country have only occupied a conquered nation a very few times
Germany, Japan, I suppose you could count the Phillipines.
and Iraq.
michaelmcquay
well...that's just fine...

Jo-Pete
if in the context of my article you feel that it's an unjust comparison, by all means make an organized reply.
michaelmcquay
I guess that I have a hard time when people compare things from WWII with what's happeneing in Iraq...

Jo-Pete
don't jump on me on the side... keep it in the ring.
michaelmcquay
because to me...it's all so different...
?
keep what in the ring?
naked girls mud wrestling?
that would be just fine...

Jo-Pete
these sparring matches over politics... keep it in the context, make a post on my site.
michaelmcquay
I like your last one about the ages of apostles and senators...
so what did you conclude from that?
average ages were 59.5 and 60, right?
so basically the same ages, no?

Jo-Pete
dude... seriously... if you have something to say, say it in public.
michaelmcquay
?

Jo-Pete
I've been so proud of you for keeping these fights on the site instead of trying to tackle me on the side... so keep it where it belongs.
michaelmcquay
sorry dude...calm down, I was just wondering...
wow...
it's so funny to me how you take it so seriously...

Jo-Pete
organize yourself, make a comment.
michaelmcquay
if you would like, you can just post this discussion on the site when we're done...
I am organized...very organized indeed...
comment #1: hello.
comment #2: how are you?

Jo-Pete
as for the apostles... what I showed was that there is no correlation between the lord choosing an apostle and how old he is.
michaelmcquay
comment #3: did you like green eggs and ham?
oh...I see....
I just thought it was funny how they have about the same ages...
sort of like I was trying to say in the beginning...

Jo-Pete
yeah, they really are both appointed for life, aren't they?
michaelmcquay
almost...consider senator hatch! HAHAHA
dude...he's been in there for ever...
maybe it is time for him to retire...

Jo-Pete
which is exactly my point... our political leaders should not be there for so long.
I can sustain the church leaders staying in for life because I know that they are close to God and that they would be removed if they ever started to lead the church in a direction opposed to the true teachings of Christ... with the politicians, we have no such promise.
but your crazy statement that God only chooses old people for positions of leadership is nonsense.
michaelmcquay
ORGANIZE YOURSELF AND MAKE SENSE...
please
I NEVER said that
but your crazy statement that God only chooses old people for positions of leadership is nonsense.
hahahaha
that is really cute...
You might consider what I was really trying to say:

Jo-Pete
I must admit that it is interesting how God usually chooses older, almost dying men to be the prophet, not young blood. Maybe there is something to that...
michaelmcquay
that is right...
that is what I said...

Jo-Pete
oops... took it out of context:
Considering people in leadership positions:

I must admit that it is interesting how God usually chooses older, almost dying men to be the prophet, not young blood. Maybe there is something to that...
michaelmcquay
not what you put...
that is correct....and that is not what you put...
that is totally what I said

Jo-Pete
God chooses older people for positions of leadership? is that not what you said?
michaelmcquay
NOPE
try again...
you're so cute...
try just one more time...
you'll get it...

Jo-Pete
considering people in leadership positions... "positions of leadership"... it's interesting how god usually chooses older, almost dying men to be the prophet... "God chooses older people"
remarkably similar, I must admit.
michaelmcquay
nope....
if you take out one word, you ruin everything and you loose your message and point...
you miss exactly what I was trying to say...
you make it an ABSOLUTE statement which is not what I said...

Jo-Pete
and I never made an absolute statement in the original context that you were attacking me on.
I never said that there aren't old people fit for leadership.
michaelmcquay
did you discover where your transcription error was?
you'll find it...look again...

Jo-Pete
Michael, if you have something to say, reply to my article. If not, I'm not interested in talking with you about it. If you can convince the world that you're right and that I'm an idiot, more power to you.
michaelmcquay
I was simply saying that age and expierence are usually--NOT ALWAYS--connected with wisdom and leadership. Age might just have something do do with it. COnsider when elder neilsen made mention in a past conference (sorry I don't have the source yet...I havent had time to look) when he talked about the wisdom that comes from the many years of life from all of the quroum of the 12 and the first presiency....in fact, I believe he said that if you "add up all of their ages (OBVIOUSLY MAKING A CORRELATION BETWEEN AGE AND WISDOM), it's over 1000 years of wisdom and expierience, etc. etc. etc....
that's so sad that you couldn't find where you were twisting my statement to fit what you would like it to have said....
did you need help with finding it?
the transcription error, that is?

Jo-Pete
"Usually, Joe-Pete[sic], Usually"
I would even disagree with the usually.
michaelmcquay
hurray!
you found it!
wow...

Jo-Pete
considering that USUALLY an apostle is 45 when he is chosen, and USUALLY a senator is 59 when he is chosen.
not to mention that you're comparing our senate with the leaders of the church, which I guess is a common mistake for right-wing Christians these days.
how cute
michaelmcquay
well...I was not saying anything about how they are choseen, and I would also agree that there is a huge difference...BUT, my main point still stands...age and expierence are usually equated with wisdom...

Jo-Pete
It would appear that I can say that apostles are USUALLY younger than senators.
michaelmcquay
that's all...

Jo-Pete
they're also often equated with senility.
michaelmcquay
do you little cute math average thing on the ages of the apostle and prophets that are currently serving...
just for fun...
I havn't done it yet...

Jo-Pete
just for fun note that the calling of an apostle is for life, which means that if they all come in at 45, they're going to stay in until 80 or 90...
michaelmcquay
I know it...isn't it wonderful that they have all of those years of wisdom and expierence under their belts!
it's great!
"they're also often equated with senility."

Jo-Pete
great for church leadership, really lousy for people making laws about new technology.
michaelmcquay
you didn't mean the apostles, right?

Jo-Pete
no, bicho, I was refering to "age and experience"
michaelmcquay
of the senators...
right?
be the way...I totally agree about the understanding of technology...
that is actually very true and important...

Jo-Pete
seriously, michael... I have no desire to argue with you on google talk. If you want to troll my site, feel free... but if you bug me on google talk, I'll just block you.
the entire article was originally written because of technology issues.
michaelmcquay
but I just think that there are other important things that need consideration
like influence in the senator...
current leadership positions within the senate...
etc...
things that would go away if he left...
and influences that I hope that he can have for as long as he lives...

Jo-Pete
yes, the all important influence... you do realize that with the shift in power to the democrats, he won't get any of his precious leadership positions?
michaelmcquay
senator hatch, that is...
not all of them...

Jo-Pete
furthermore, do we even WANT the senators from the nation's leading state in bankruptcies to be responsible for the major financial decisions?
michaelmcquay
well...you'll just have to wait until next time around...
i guess...

Jo-Pete
not to mention that Hatch HIMSELF has said that it's time for "fresh new blood from the next generation"
of course, that was 30 years ago...
and since washington is so much less corrupt now...
michaelmcquay
:)

Jo-Pete
put it on the site... any more comments on anything relating to ongoing debates on petiejoe.com will result in your being blocked... I don't like these side arguments.
michaelmcquay
side arguments?
I just finished reading something and wanted to chat...
sorry...

Jo-Pete
if you want to debate my stance that I make on my site, do so on the site.
michaelmcquay
can you post this chat on there?
so that it can be oficial?
 



Michael McQuay says:
keep it in the ring...

The "people's elbow is in the ring!"

you know what I'm talkin' about! THE ROCK is in the ring!

Yeah!!!

The people's elbow!!!


posted Thu November 30 2006 at 10:23 PM

 

 
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